The Space Show Presents Rick Fisher on Space, National Security, China, Asia, Tuesday, June 9, 2026.

The Space Show Presents Rick Fisher, Tuesday, June 9, 2026 Quick Summary The Space Show featured a discussion with national security consultant Rick Fisher about China’s space program and its implications for national security. Rick explained that space has become a major component of American global national security considerations, with China positioning itself either as a major antagonist or cooperative partner depending on Earth-based conflicts. He detailed China’s lunar program, including their Lanyue lunar lander and their manned capsule, while warning that Chinese dual-use systems on the moon could potentially extend Earth conflicts to lunar territory. The conversation covered China’s energy independence efforts through nuclear fission, space solar power, and fusion energy development, as well as their reusable rocket capabilities with 20-25 Chinese companies developing reusable launch vehicles similar to SpaceX’s approach. Rick also discussed the Artemis program’s goals of establishing a semi-permanent presence on the moon by 2036, requiring 79-81 space launches and approximately $30 billion in total investment. The discussion concluded with analysis of Taiwan’s potential response to Chinese aggression and the role of other Asian countries like India and Japan in balancing Chinese space ambitions. Detailed Summary David and Rick discussed the role of space in national security, particularly regarding China’s lunar program and its implications for Taiwan and the South China Sea. They also touched on UAPs (Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena), with John contributing insights about China’s interest in UAPs and the government’s handling of the topic. The conversation highlighted differing perspectives on the significance of UAPs and the potential motivations behind government secrecy regarding the subject. David, Rick, and John discussed concerns about Chinese influence and espionage in the United States, including allegations against politicians like Feinstein and a California politician. They questioned why such activities are tolerated despite being known. The conversation then shifted to SpaceX’s upcoming IPO and its performance. The conversation continued with the guest continuing to discuss China’s space program and its broader implications for national security. Rick discussed the increasing importance of space in American national security, particularly in relation to China’s space activities. He explained that space has become a determinant factor in global security, with both countries positioning themselves as either antagonists or cooperative partners. He praised President Trump’s focus on returning to the moon through the Artemis program as a way to deter conflict and secure American access to space. He noted that Trump’s second-term goal of establishing a permanent presence on the moon could help prevent conflicts not only on the moon but also in low Earth orbit and potentially on Earth. Rick was asked about China’s energy strategies and vulnerabilities, explaining that China’s reliance on oil passing through the Straits of Hormuz presents a strategic weakness. He detailed China’s multi-pronged energy approach including nuclear fission plants, space solar power research, and fusion energy development. When asked about space-based data centers, he indicated China is following the American trend with plans to launch such facilities in the near future, potentially on a large scale to support AI functions on Earth. The discussion was cut off before John’s question about potential lunar conflict could be addressed. Our guest discussed the potential risks and challenges associated with China’s lunar lander program, particularly regarding the Lanyue lunar lander and its propulsion stage, which could pose hazards to other lunar missions or bases. He highlighted the need for deconfliction and transparency from China regarding their lunar lander operations. Rick also mentioned the deployment of hopper drones by both the U